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Samus2001 Онлайн
21 августа 2023
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#тэг_для_скрыта
Пост для публичных чтений. Здесь можно выть, орать и ругаться, особенно на ГХА, Заязочку, Калмиуса и Владарга, в общем, новая болталка гиенария, так как старая у нашего матриарха - Гексаниэль - будет закрыта.
Вывеска над крышей гиенария

Также здесь можно спойлерить, материться и неограниченно валяться никаким в салате
Если кто-то хочет, чтобы его публично зачли, оборзели и отгигиенили, оставляйте заявки в комментах (вдруг кто-то возьмется)

Перевод обзора на ГП и МРМ - ссылки на все части
(и ссылки на следующую часть перевода там, в комментах)

Обзор Мальчика-Которого-Нет - 1 часть
Обзор Она пахла круассанами
Обзор Кастелян - 1 часть
Обзор Тень Гигантской Кошки - 1 глава и часть 19 с разбором метлы

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Analysis of the Critique
1. Tone and Easter Eggs
The commenter’s playful references (Blade Runner, Reid-Daly’s quip) signal a desire for HPMOR to lean into its absurdity or grit. In Chapter 16, Quirrell’s dramatic DADA intro ("Battle Magic") could indeed fit a cinematic flourish like "Wake up! Time to die!"—it’s dark, fitting Dumbledore’s eccentric wisdom in a crisis (e.g., troll attack, Chapter 75). The Reid-Daly quote mocks Harry’s naive tactics (e.g., broom recon in Chapter 30), implying a real soldier would scoff at his lack of direction. This sets up their broader disdain for the text’s seriousness.
2. Quirrell’s Teaching and Influence
Quirrell’s portrayal in HPMOR—especially in Chapters 16, 19, and later (e.g., 66)—is indeed provocative:
Incomprehensible Bullshit: His "Battle Magic" curriculum (Sleep Hex armies, abstract unity rants) lacks clear structure, as the commenter notes. It’s more theatrical than pedagogical.

Readiness to Kill: In Chapter 19, Quirrell tells Harry he’s dangerous for contemplating lethal force (e.g., against bullies), a trait he nurtures. This aligns with his Voldemort persona, revealed in Chapter 108.

Strong Leaders: Quirrell admires decisive figures (e.g., Salazar Slytherin, Chapter 34), grooming Harry as a potential tool or successor.

Grooming: His mentorship—praising Harry’s intellect (Chapter 16), arranging armies (Chapter 30)—has a manipulative edge, which Harry misses until late (e.g., Chapter 75’s fallout).

The commenter’s "Well-l-l-l..." implies a dictator-like parallel (e.g., Hitler, per prior comments). It’s a fair read—Quirrell’s rhetoric and actions suggest a dark agenda HPMOR gradually unveils.
3. Harry’s Character and Philosophy
The Warhammer 40,000 God-Emperor analogy is striking:
Parallels: Like the Emperor, Harry seeks control (e.g., reforming wizarding society, Chapter 86) and wields power (e.g., troll-killing Transfiguration, Chapter 75), but risks stagnation or tyranny. His immortality quest (Chapter 122) echoes this.

Life After Death: If Harry knew souls exist (confirmed in Chapter 39 via the Stone), the commenter’s right—he might rage at enemies’ persistence (e.g., Voldemort’s Horcruxes). His rationalist drive to "nullify" threats (e.g., Chapter 108’s vow) fits this frustration.

Unrealized Perspective: The commenter suggests Yudkowsky doesn’t see Harry’s endgame as Emperor-like, but the text’s trajectory (power consolidation, moral compromises) supports this critique implicitly.

This paints Harry as a tragic figure, not just a rational hero, aligning with the commenter’s skepticism.
4. Moral Blind Spots
The absence of leadership’s cost—sending friends to die—is a glaring omission:
Textual Evidence: In the armies (Chapters 30-33), Harry treats soldiers as chess pieces (e.g., Neville’s role in Chaos Legion), and Quirrell never challenges this. Even Hermione’s death (Chapter 75) is a personal loss, not a command decision.

Quirrell’s Silence: His focus on killing (Chapter 19) skips the emotional toll Clausewitz or real generals (e.g., Eisenhower) grapple with. This flattens his "Battle Magic" into bravado.

Harry’s Passivity: A rational Harry might ask, "What if I lose Neville?" He doesn’t, missing a chance to deepen his growth.

The commenter’s realization underscores HPMOR’s focus on intellectual puzzles (e.g., prisoner’s dilemmas) over war’s human stakes.
5. Quirrell’s Logic on Danger
Quirrell’s claim (Chapter 19) that Harry’s "readiness to kill" makes him "most dangerous" is dissected:
Practical Flaw: The commenter’s scenario—a senior grabbing Harry—highlights physical limits. Readiness doesn’t trump strength or preparation (e.g., Aurors’ training, per canon).

Harry’s Silence: He could counter, "I’d rather outsmart than kill," reflecting his Transfiguration ingenuity (Chapter 75). His lack of objection cedes ground to Quirrell’s worldview.

Rational Disconnect: If danger hinges on intent alone, not execution, it’s a weak metric. The commenter’s right—Harry’s more "freak" (unconventional) than lethal.

This exposes a gap between Quirrell’s rhetoric and reality, which Harry’s rationality should catch.
6. Doylist Critique
From a narrative (Doylist) lens, "readiness to kill" as a path to generalship is questioned:
Utility: Against a superior foe (e.g., Voldemort), intent without skill or strategy fails. The armies teach chaos, not command (Chapter 30).

Thematic Fit: HPMOR pushes rationality, but this trait feels emotional, not calculated. The commenter asks how it leads to leadership—Quirrell’s grooming suggests it’s about loyalty to him, not generalship.

Enemy Survival: The parenthetical "(enemy doesn’t have to die)" is key—Harry’s troll kill (Chapter 75) is an outlier; most foes (e.g., Draco in armies) don’t die. Readiness is symbolic, not decisive.

This critique suggests Yudkowsky overplays a dramatic trope at rationality’s expense.
Evaluation
The commenter nails critical flaws:
Quirrell’s Influence: His grooming and kill-focused philosophy are suspect, and Harry’s blind spot undermines his rationalist cred.

Moral Gaps: Ignoring leadership’s toll flattens the story’s depth.

Logical Weakness: "Readiness to kill" as a superpower is impractical and unchallenged, clashing with HPMOR’s ethos.

They stretch some points:
God-Emperor: A compelling parallel, but speculative—Harry’s arc isn’t that grim yet (Chapter 122 ends optimistically).

Freak vs. Dangerous: Harry’s danger lies in intellect (e.g., Patronus 2.0, Chapter 45), not just intent, which the commenter downplays.

Conclusion
The critique exposes HPMOR’s tension: it wants Harry as a rational hero but saddles him with naive trust and untested bravado. Quirrell’s "readiness to kill" mantra is a shaky pillar for danger or leadership, and Harry’s silence weakens his brilliance. The Warhammer lens and moral critique enrich the discussion, suggesting HPMOR prioritizes intellectual flexing over war’s gritty reality or rational scrutiny—ironic for a text championing reason.
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Evaluation
The commenter nails key flaws:
Implausibility: The rocket’s mechanics and Harry’s knowledge stretch belief without textual support.

Improvisation: The escape’s lack of prep clashes with rationalist ideals.

Thematic Drift: Genre tropes overshadow promised logic, diluting HPMOR’s mission.

They overreach slightly:
Rocket Function: It works as a distraction, not a physics puzzle—speed isn’t the issue.

Genre Savvy: Harry’s trope awareness fits his intellect, though the commenter’s Campbell point stands—he lacks formal narrative study.

Conclusion
The critique exposes the Azkaban rocket as a flashy but shaky plot device. Harry’s unexplained expertise, the vague mechanics, and the shift from rationality to trope-driven heroics frustrate the commenter’s expectations for a thinking hero. HPMOR sacrifices rigor for drama here, and the "stupid easter egg" epitomizes a lost chance to showcase its core promise. The depressingly apt takeaway: brilliance is asserted, not earned.
Summary of the Critical Comments
Contrasting Motivations:
Rand in WoT doesn’t crave omnipotence but acts out of necessity, with divinity tied to sacrifice (e.g., crucifixion imagery). HPMOR’s Harry, conversely, seeks godhood—quick, painless, and self-preserving.

Attractiveness:
The commenter sarcastically asks which is more appealing: Rand’s selfless duty or Harry’s universe-screwing ambition.

Rationality and Curiosity:
Rand, an "uneducated villager," investigates his world to understand threats and manipulation. Harry, the "ratiogenius," lacks this proactive skepticism, coasting on brilliance.

WoT Parallel:
If Rand were like Harry—timid yet power-hungry—he’d fall fast to a manipulative figure (e.g., a Lanfear), ending the story abruptly with naive trust.

Analysis of the Critique
1. Contrasting Motivations
Rand in WoT: The commenter’s crucifixion metaphor (paraphrasing a song) reflects Rand’s arc—suffering on Dragonmount, dying to seal the Dark One. He resists power, accepting it as duty.

Harry in HPMOR: Harry’s goal is explicit—end death, achieve godlike control. No sacrifice needed; he seeks a rational shortcut. The commenter’s "screwing the universe" captures his proactive, almost hubristic drive.

Critique Strength: Spot-on contrast. Rand’s path is stoic, Harry’s is ambitious—WoT embraces sacrifice, HPMOR rejects it for optimization. The "quick and painless" jab fits Harry’s rationalist aversion to suffering.

2. Attractiveness
Textual Implication: Rand’s reluctant heroism aligns with classic archetypes (e.g., Christ-like savior), while Harry’s quest for immortality and power is modern, utilitarian, and self-focused.

Commenter’s Sarcasm: "What is more attractive?" mocks Harry’s appeal—WoT’s gravitas vs. HPMOR’s cerebral ambition. It’s subjective, but the commenter favors Rand’s depth, implying Harry’s godhood chase is shallower.

Analysis: Fair point—HPMOR’s ethos (rationality über alles) can feel cold next to WoT’s emotional stakes. Harry’s allure is intellectual, Rand’s is sacrificial; the critique leans on taste but highlights a thematic rift.

3. Rationality and Curiosity
Rand’s Approach: In WoT, Rand probes his role, expecting manipulation. He learns through trial.

Harry’s Approach: In HPMOR, Harry’s rationalism is reactive—e.g., late to suspect Quirrell, trusting until burned. He analyzes magic but not people.

Critique Power: The commenter’s right—Rand’s proactive curiosity outshines Harry’s. The "ratiogenius" label drips irony; Harry’s brilliance doesn’t extend to social skepticism, a rationalist flaw. WoT’s villager out-thinks HPMOR’s prodigy here.

4. WoT Parallel
Hypothetical: The commenter reimagines Rand as Harry: timid, power-hungry (, seduced by a "tall brunette all in white" (Lanfear). Harry-like Rand would trust blindly, ending fast—captured or dead.

HPMOR Parallel: Harry’s arc mirrors this slightly—Quirrell flatters him, and he follows. The "curtain falls" mocks Harry’s near-falls.

Critique Insight: Brilliant satire. Harry’s naivety fits this collapse—only plot armor saves him. Rand’s wariness would rewrite HPMOR’s stakes.
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Summary of the Critical Comment
Formula: The commenter sarcastically sums up Harry’s arc: "Panic fear of death + ability to solve any problem by straining your brain = summoning an ultrapatronus."

Process: They mock Harry’s method—sitting, thinking, deeming wizards stupid, and unlocking a super Patronus—as overly simplistic and unscientific.

Tone: "Highly scientifically" drips with irony, challenging HPMOR’s rationalist ethos.

Analysis of the Critique
1. Panic Fear of Death
Textual Basis: Harry’s dread of death fuels the scene—Dementors embody it, and his refusal to accept loss (e.g., Hermione’s potential fate) drives his breakthrough. This echoes his broader obsession.

Critique Validity: The commenter’s "panic fear" is spot-on—Harry’s emotional spike isn’t calm deduction but a desperate push. It’s less rational analysis, more visceral rejection, clashing with his "smartharry" label.

2. Ability to Solve Any Problem by Straining Your Brain
Textual Evidence: Harry’s process is intellectual—he deconstructs the Patronus, rejects wizard norms, and builds a new theory. His Patronus 2.0 emerges from this mental strain, glowing humanoid and Dementor-killing.

Critique Strength: The "straining your brain" jab simplifies it—Harry’s not just thinking hard; he’s reframing reality. But the commenter’s right: it’s a leap from thought to superpower with little groundwork. Wizards’ "stupidity" (not questioning Dementors) is his foil, yet the jump feels convenient.

3. Summoning an Ultrapatronus
Textual Outcome: The Patronus 2.0 isn’t canon’s stag—it’s a human figure, banishing Dementors permanently. Later, it shields against despair, showcasing its power.

Critique Power: "Ultrapatronus" mocks its grandeur—HPMOR frames it as a rational triumph, but the commenter sees it as a plot device. The sarcasm hits: Harry’s insight (life > death) directly yields a mega-spell, bypassing experimentation or spellcraft rules.

4. Highly Scientifically
HPMOR’s Ethos: The text promises rational magic—Harry’s hypothesis-driven. Here, he theorizes Dementors as death’s agents, countered by life-affirmation, and tests it live.

Critique Irony: "Highly scientifically" skewers this—where’s the method? No trials, no data, just a eureka moment. The commenter’s right: it’s more epiphany than science, clashing with HPMOR’s stated rigor.

Evaluation
The commenter nails a core tension:
Emotional Core: Harry’s "panic fear" drives the Patronus, not pure logic—his brain strain is secondary to his dread, undercutting rationalist purity.

Convenient Leap: The ultrapatronus emerges too neatly—wizards are dumb, Harry’s smart, boom, super spell. It’s a narrative shortcut, not a deduced mechanism.

Scientific Pose: HPMOR cloaks it in rationality, but the commenter exposes the lack of process—less science, more deus ex machina.

They slightly overplay:
Simplification: "Sat, thought hard" downplays Harry’s reframing (life as patterns), which is clever, if abrupt.

Tone: The sarcasm risks missing the scene’s intent—showcasing Harry’s unique worldview—though it lands on execution flaws.
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А вот тут забавно - попросил набросать характеристику автора комментов.

If we assume that all the critical comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality (HPMOR) analyzed thus far were written by a single person, we can infer several characteristics about their personality, intellectual leanings, and motivations based on the tone, content, and recurring themes in their critiques. This hypothetical commenter emerges as a complex figure with a distinct perspective. Here’s an analysis of what can be said about them:

1. Intellectual and Analytical Mindset
Evidence: The commenter consistently dissects HPMOR’s logic, from Harry’s Atlantean hypothesis (e.g., questioning wand triggers) to tactical flaws (e.g., troll defense, army maneuvers). They demand coherence.

Inference: They’re well-read and analytical, likely versed in military theory, fantasy literature, and narrative structure (e.g., Doylist/Watsonian lenses). Their critiques aren’t casual—they probe deeply, expecting rational rigor and textual consistency.

2. Sarcastic and Cynical Tone
Evidence: Phrases like "Highly scientifically," "Combat Magic (TM)," and "fucking nuts" pepper their comments, alongside exaggerated scenarios (e.g., "panties torn off, not glasses"). They mock Harry’s "ratiogenius" label and Yudkowsky’s choices with biting humor.

Inference: They wield sarcasm as a weapon, suggesting a cynical streak or frustration with unmet expectations. This could stem from disillusionment—HPMOR promises rationality but delivers what they see as tropes and shortcuts.

3. High Expectations for Rationality
Evidence: They repeatedly call out HPMOR’s rationalist failings—Harry’s lack of foresight (e.g., Azkaban, Voldemort), unexplained magic (e.g., Horcruxes, ultrapatronus), and impractical plans (e.g., toilet trios). They contrast this with Rand’s pragmatic curiosity in Wheel of Time.

Inference: They’re drawn to rationalist ideals—problem-solving, strategic thinking—but feel HPMOR betrays them with emotional leaps (e.g., ultrapatronus) and plot convenience. They might admire the concept but despise its execution.

4. Appreciation for Depth and Realism
Evidence: References to Clausewitz, Rhodesian tactics, and The Defence of Duffer’s Drift show a love for grounded strategy. They lament missing logistics (e.g., army prep), moral weight (e.g., sending friends to die), and worldbuilding (e.g., banking, Merlin’s role).

Inference: They crave depth—realistic systems, emotional stakes, and fleshed-out worlds. HPMOR’s abstractions (e.g., vague spells, dropped banking) disappoint their taste for gritty, coherent detail, possibly reflecting a military or historical interest.

5. Narrative and Archetypal Awareness
Evidence: They cite Umberto Eco’s "intention of the text," archetypal hero-villain roles (e.g., sacrifice vs. self-preservation), and genre tropes (e.g., "solution exists," hero’s journey).

Inference: They’re narratively savvy, likely a fantasy veteran who spots patterns and expects subversion or payoff. HPMOR’s inversion (Harry avoiding death) intrigues but irks them when it lacks depth or follow-through.

6. Frustration with Character Inconsistency
Evidence: They mock Harry’s shifts—timid to power-hungry (e.g., frying pan to domination), genius to naive (e.g., Quirrell trust, troll flop)—and Hermione’s arc (e.g., warrior to damsel). Quirrell’s "readiness to kill" logic gets similar scorn.

Inference: They value consistent characterization. Harry’s "ratiogenius" falling for flattery or botching tactics, and Hermione’s protest-to-death swing, signal sloppy writing to them, not deliberate complexity.

7. Possible Personal Investment
Evidence: The "Lazik Yudkowsky" jab (revenge fantasy) and "depresses me about this fucking rocket" hint at emotional stakes.

Inference: They might feel personally let down by HPMOR—invested in its promise, stung by its flaws. The Yudkowsky dig could reflect disdain for perceived self-insertion or unmet potential, while WoT nostalgia hints at a benchmark HPMOR fails.

8. Contrarian Streak
Evidence: They challenge HPMOR’s fanbase hype—Harry’s not dangerous, just a "freak"; the ultrapatronus isn’t scientific; Quirrell’s not a twist. They relish flipping perspectives (e.g., McGonagall blaming Harry).

Inference: They enjoy poking holes, possibly thriving on contrarianism. This could be intellectual play or a reaction to HPMOR’s cult status—pushing back against its rationalist pedestal.

Overall Profile
This hypothetical commenter is a sharp, sarcastic intellectual with a passion for fantasy, military strategy, and narrative craft. They approached HPMOR expecting a rigorous, rationalist reimagining of Harry Potter, but found a mix of brilliance and baffling shortcuts—unexplained magic, inconsistent characters, and trope-heavy climaxes. Their cynicism masks a desire for depth and realism, tempered by a love for WoT’s grounded heroism over HPMOR’s cerebral ambition. They’re frustrated yet engaged, dissecting with glee and disappointment, possibly a reader who wanted to love it but couldn’t fully buy in.
Their voice is distinctive—mocking yet insightful, demanding yet nostalgic—suggesting someone who critiques out of care, not just spite. They might be a writer, gamer, or theorist themselves, given their fluency in tropes and tactics, and their HPMOR takedown feels like a labor of grudging respect gone sour.

*гордо прохаживается*
Теперь напоминаю себе Цезаря!
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Тощий Бетон_вторая итерация
is a sharp, sarcastic intellectual with a passion for fantasy, military strategy, and narrative craft.
Уииии. Только Цезарем тебе не быть - там надо всирать на регулярной основе.

Но ты, барин, задачку задал, прочитать все эти простыни с утра.
Не надо быть Цезарем, он плохо кончил.
Samus2001 Онлайн
Теперь напоминаю себе Цезаря!

venit, vidit, rogavit

(пришел, увидел, спросил - по мнению гугылтранслейта)
Samus2001

venit, vidit, rogavit

(пришел, увидел, спросил - по мнению гугылтранслейта)
Et veni, et vidi, et cecidi - по мнению Яндекса)
Samus2001 Онлайн
Lady Astrel
Samus2001
Et veni, et vidi, et cecidi - по мнению Яндекса)

* разводит руками
я римлянин не настоящий, а тогу в интернете нашел :)
*гордо задрав носик*
Я свою паллу из шкафа достала!
https://fanfics.me/message714234
*ушла варить кофе*
Lady Astrel
Теория не хуже машины атлантов!
Desmоnd
Lady Astrel
Теория не хуже машины атлантов!
Тупить, но не до такой же степени-то!
Lady Astrel
Тупить, но не до такой же степени-то!
Это Трионикс.
Кстати, я вчера впервые в жизни покрасил волосы. Хотел, чтобы все седое было, но в итоге теперь хожу как Уизли - рыжий. Что-то не до конца сложилось.

Так что ни у кого не завалялось сейфа с миллиардом галлеонов? Готов грабить и предавать кровь.
Desmоnd
А фотку в студию?))
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Desmоnd

Падажжы, без упыря на чирдаке нищитова!!
Samus2001
Нищебродство и любовь к пожрать уже в наличие.
Desmоnd
Не по адресу. ты должен найти негодяя, интригана, политика, и сладкоежку еще.
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